Thanks guys your replies have really helped but I think the best reviews ive gotten for a beginner is the nexstar .46, so we will see I am going to take lessons at an ama near my house so hopefully I will learn alot... also the reason the challenger didnt show me that much was because the first day we got it he ran it into a powerline not even a powerpole it plummeted and the plane hasnt flown right since. Thanks for all the help.