It's all relative, sometimes ARF flyers make comments about foamie park flyers being toys, then kitbuilders bash ARF flyers, then scratch builders think they are a step above kitbuilders, but still they are using someone elses' plans, probably designers are the only true originals in this hobby. But, aren't they usually copying the design of a full scale aircraft? To me it doesn't matter what you are flying, there are truly so few of us in this hobby that we should embrace all aspects of anything that flys and encourage each other. Can't we all just get along?