Guys, if you think it's bad just trying to get some technical help from them [ ie, info, etc, ] try asking them for a small donation for your club's annual airshow. They are the biggest "cheap-skates". They want you to buy their stuff but dont bother them on anything else. Unless your last name happens to be Hyde, Somenzini, etc, then your treated as royalty. Put Lanier on the shelf and forget them like an old ARF. MM.