I think you misunderstood. I was saying AFP's physics are the best no matter what scenery is used[X(]. Show me a power off tail slide then add full up elevator on any other brand simulator and I say it will probably fall backward toward the canopy where it should fall forward and vise versa. Same with the rudder. The key words here are POWER OFF. What I am trying to splain here is it is more important to me to have a programmer concentrate on better physics. Scenery is not that important to me(except good looking female pilots on the edge of the runway[sm=spinnyeyes.gif]). It also would have been nice to have dual rates on the AFP version that comes with a controller. Maybe that would not have been possible due to planes created by others. I don't use low rates much however some other 3D pilots at my home field are using triple rates. I use a G-2 controller on AFP and a switch activated dual rate would have been useful for 1 turn rolling circles etc[sm=bananahead.gif]. Maybe the Deluxe version has this?