We are in agreement there.... I got them from Tower... Magnum had them on sale for 149.00 a while back and then Tower was doing there 20.00 off thing... Same with there .91's, got them really cheap through Tower, same sort of deal... I was waiting for the .61's to go on sale again but it appears I missed the boat on those... They seem to be out of production... Guess I can still get the ASP version though from Paul across the pond...