Sideshow, I wasnt trying to make a point. I wasnt sure if you were the one so adament about a diamond dust or not , thats why I ask. I think the Patriot is a good choice. In my opinion a DD is an awefull choice. I can guarantee you I , like most TCD's hope the JPO proposal is looked upon favoribly and past. I agree its alot to deal with the way it is. I do also agree with David and others that the waiver is well worth the trouble to obtain. I love flying turbins and if I had it to do over again nomatter what it took I would do it to fly turbins. Man, wait till you land your first turbin solo------ THERE'S NOTHIN LIKE IT !!!! to me anyway.... Ray