Thanks - I know of those in the Spokane area but that is at least 8 hours away. There are contests held around Salt Lake and they are a little closer. I guess after I think about it a lot of what has come out in this thread is why I don't hit the contests anymore. I think that we all know that the 60 size ruling in mini-mac isn't working and I think that the idea that was presented has opened up some thinking that maybe there is a way to make a change that will benefit the sport. Part of the problem with competition is that we always look at it as a way to say who is better than another. Another way to look at it is a way to judge your self improvement and not against others but compared to yourself. Did I score better at the last contest than the one before? So what, if both times I was in last place. Flying IMAC should be about improving your own ability to fly the sequences better and helping others to do the same. Oh yes, my flying did improve when I went from 60 size to my now 120 size planes.