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Old 12-24-2004 | 02:08 PM
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Default RE: Three blade VS. Two blade

jeepindog, you are telling us that all of the aeronautical engineering development on propellers since the Wright Bros. has been wrong? Both props had the same static RPM?

The 13-8 three blade has a greater power load than the 14-6 two-blade. If the engine was not constrained by valve train limits, breathing restrictions, or something else, it would have to turn faster with the 14-6. Maybe your engine is at its rev limits -- if that is the case, a steeper pitch 2-b will give more thrust.

For a given diameter & pitch, a three blade has 50% more blade area and drag than a two-blade & can transmit proportionately more power, but conversely, requires similarly more power to turn at the same rpm. However, since prop blades run in the wake turbulence of the preceding blade & since the blades of the 3-b prop are closer together, there is more loss of efficiency from wake turbulence. Additionally, there is more "mess" in the root transition zone, resulting in a shorter effective blade length -- again lower efficiency. If the 14-6 & 13-8 are turning at the same rpm, the discharge velocity of the 13-8 is 1/3 greater than for the 14-6 and has significantly greater slipstream shear losses -- another loss of efficiency, whereas the lager diameter prop is exerting the same work over a larger area at a lower discharge velocity -- more efficient (which is why helicopters have large disc areas). Finally, in the case of jeepindog's pitch & diameter change, the pitch increase more than offsets the reduction in diameter, requiring even more power --- so either there is a lot of stuff that isn't being revealed (like the engine at it's rpm limit), or the post is a troll.

BTW I've been in the modelling business for well over 50 yrs, flown thousands of hrs in FS aircraft & managed a fluid dynamics engineering research lab for 20 years. The physics hasn't changed.
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I guess I forgot to mention that I am a liar. Merry Christmas, britbrat. I hope you feel superior with all of your guessing about the reality of what I wrote. Both scenarios that I outlined were run with the same fuel on the same airplane with the same engine on the same days. It was tried and tried again. The only thing that I did not reveal was the actual reading that I got with my tachometer. Both runs yielded rpm figures of 9,600. I do not run my fourstroke engines at redline, as I do not need to. Although it was impossible to measure unloaded rpm during flight, the exhaust sound was similar, however, this means little. The three-blade prop indeed outperformed the two-blade prop. If someone made a 13x6 that I could have tried, I would have, but I could find none at any local shop. 13x8 only.

Lachlan