wayne, how do you hover then? and kinfe edge?

IMO rudder is essential. its one of my most used controls, not just in the usuall 3D stuff, but if i do a 1/2 loop to inverted, and its off track, i will straiten it up usign rudder

Also, if you teach yourself without the rudder, when you come to use the rudder, its teaching yourself all over again. So do it from the outset and itl be easyer

Ian