Hey Don, Ryan H. I built and flew one for one of the guys at the field. It was the first one Glen got in. The ARF quality is typical ARF, not great, not horrible. He has a BGX in his turning a ZingerPro 20 x 8 at 7300. It flies fine, but is by no means a rocket and nowhere close to unlimited vertical. I'm "guessing" it is around 13 - 14 lbs. Flies like a big trainer, with no bad habits. Keep in mind how I like to fly. His rates are not even close to where the need to be to smack it around hard. FWIW. Ryan.