The zoomer,
you are correct about the gyro gain. they do absolutely nothing unless it is in the wind and when they get a big gust they begin to hunt but it keeps it level long enough that i can chop the throttle and land. Given that, why dont you guys just lower your cg and make your propellers booms a bit longer? any destabilization affect you may experiance would be severely dampened by the longer booms, the lower cg, and it would save you guys a lot of headaches and $$. that's essentially what i did, the gyros are just there for emergency purposes only. i dont know if my being able to control it is a matter of a stable design or the fact that i have been flying twitchy tailheavy overpowered aerobatic fixed wing aircraft for several years now, but either way, i am sure you guys could do it no problem. if it helps you could always tether it from the top with a light reel or something so that whatever you have it tied to picks up the slack, and you could learn to fly it that way without fearing a crash or something. that worked for me. the first flights i had were on a teather.