I did a survey at our club field a few years ago when we had a particularly high number of new flyers. I wanted to know which trainer worked the best for getting the new flyer the skills needed to pass the wings test. The LT40 got the new flyer his wings the fastest. The students with the Goldberg Eagle 2 took a few more weekends. The students with the PT60 trainers took a lot longer. [8D]