i have had a vmar discovery 40 trainer before and i would have to say that it was a very good trainer. mine was very durable and flew great. it could do some great tricks and glided with out even caring. mine is in the graveyard now after a full throttle crash but the discovery was in pretty good shape after the full throttle crash. the wing was in perfect shape except for a small gouge and the fuselage was fine except the entire front was ripped off. and i will agree that vmar's service really really sucks b/c they told me that sincei live so close to there main headquaters i couldn't buy directly from them and that i would have to buy from a dealer so i don't how there so called good prices work