Just to confirm, in the case of my buddy's airplane, his rates weren't at 3D when the trouble was encountered....The airplane was set up with conservative rates as a "Just in case" measure. This was not a case of inexperience, although I do believe the airplane probably had a set up problem. It has got too much praise in this column to believe anything else....haha. Glad to hear that actually! Couldn't believe that H9 would market something that flies as bad as this airplane did....haha

Chris