Chudd, What you should get is a pusher-plane. That way no matter how many times u smack the ground, you will never bust up ur shaft and gears. Also, i was in the same postion as you were before, so i sorta know what your looking for. Neighbor down the street has baught 2 of the Wing-Dragons by art-tech, GREAT PLANES! AND CHEAP!!!! Now they are called the TIGER_WING!!. I actually decieded to buy one of those for my self to dink around with. Very fun, extremely easy to fl, and VERY VERY durable!! ANything breaks,packing tape and hot glue will fix them, belive me, i've done it. So there is one option right there. Another option is getting the Vortex Extreme( my first plane). Its a bit more expensive, but then its performance is a little bit better. Its also known as the T-Hawk (basically its the same plane). I flew my vortex into everthing, building, the ground, trees, and what not.... you can find those at rctoys.com or just hit ebay up, thats were i got mine. I'm still not sure why you are looking for a 4ch plane and one thats not on the 27 mhz.....You will not find a RTF plane thats on something other than the 27 mhz range, you then have to buy a ARF plane and look into buying your own radio equipment. If you really want a 4ch plane then go with the Begin-Air ( wing- dragon sportster). I have not flown this plane, but i've read that it handles like the Wing-Dragon, just more aerobatic. Those sell for about $90-$129.....my neighbor was lucky and got one on ebay for $85...soo just thought i'd drop a post to help ya out! Good luck flyin'



-Duber, [8D] Flyin' High