I thought you had to have a true stall. If the nose does not drop before it drops a wing, which does happen, and the plane goes left and you force it right thats not really a true stall into a spin, right or wrong?. You are forcing it to spin and thats a zero,,, am I correct? I thought the whole purpose of the of the manuever was to demonstrate a true stall condition followed by a spin. Sure if the nose drops 1st then you can perhaps react quickly and subltly force a wing down in the direction you want it to go but you are effectively cheating when you do that huh?