I did not do a Pull Pull. I should post a pic..LOL. I started to do a pull pull, and I put a Dial indicator to the rudder for fun. With a good amount of stress, .003" was all of the play I found. Most of which was in the clevis, not the ball end. The elevator was .005". Not enough for me to justify the Pull / Pull system.My plane is as stock as stock gets and with recommended everything.