Ahh Clark I had some fun last night! I completely forgot that I can switch on the follow mode camera in the second view window. It was now much easier to see the thermals bump the plane around when you hit them. Thanks for the help. I have not been able to play with all the settings you provided yet because I can't get my 9X to work with the sim yet...still having problems finding another headphone plug. But I did take some of the other just normal gliders last night and thermalled my brains out. It sure was great fun when I was actually able to see what the plane was doing. No need for no stinking vario meter anymore!!! I did print out everything you wrote up untill now so as soon as I get the interface sorted I'm going to play with the sailplane programming in the 9X a bit. Today I am getting my new motor for my electra so this weekend is serious thermal hunting time again.