Mike L: Re read the post it states if, you have an instructor. I would not advise anyone to try either of these planes without. For that fact I would not advise anyone to try flying period, without an instructor. I have flown both these planes and find them just as easy to land as my LT-40 and easier to fly since you don't get into the habit of letting the plane right itself. I wish I had started with one of them, then I would not have this LT-40 I never fly, and will never be able to sell for as much money as I have in it.