Davebart: Grandad1 is my dad, and 2slow is my brother. Looks like he logged in on dad's computer and answered your email in dad's login :hehe:

2slow and I both ordered a vmar plane at the same time. He got the stinger and I got the Vstik. The quality of the build is poor (wood is soft, covering "film" comes off and doesn't hold well, etc...) I don't like the way they have you putting in the linkages either. But the planes do fly well. My stick still flies today. I just gave it to my dad and he is going to "re-maiden" it tomorrow with all of his stuff in it. It's a great learning plane, but if I'm going to spend 100 dollars, I'm going to buy a better name brand ARF and get a better quality than VMAR.