STLPilot: I was working a lot of overtime when I got the Microsoft sim. All I had time for was to use the planes that were on program already. I liked the combat flight sim where you follow and shoot down planes the was out ahead. I liked the Mustang..it would catch up with the rest and then it was fun shooting them down. That is all I ever did with it. No time for downloads. Did not even do one download. I used a blackhawk joystick, real inexpensive but nice. It was nothing like flying models at a RC field. I don,t know what a advocate for Microsoft sim is...I just bought it because its all I had $$ and time for. Thanks for kinda explaining more about downloads like (a) and (B) Hope to find more A,s Geoff... Talk about complaints....there is so many in all the forums..I dont know why you bring it up. But if it was not for complaints, no one would know what to improve! Right? You need that type of input to get improvements. You know....cutting edge tecknology Thanking is good. I wish I could thank them..so if your out there THANK YOU. But in real life you don,t do things so people can thank you. You do it because you like to do it and share it. I have done that myself. I have taught over 20+ RC friends to fly and tune there planes, engines and anything else they needed help with. I did not need thanks, the big smile on there face when they first flew .... was enough thanks. Thanks Capt.n