flip 3d, meaning that kyosho thing, with all the wild colors? i think that my 91 is kinda big for that, thats only rated 40-60 isn't it? maybe i'm thinking of something different, plus it was like $250 or something, kinda high in my book for a plane that size, but you make the ucando sound good though, i'd rather have that as a back up fun fly type thing than something like a big stik, thanks though, someone in my club had a ucd, he said he thougt it was really good, but it wouldn't flat spin, but i know how to do those anyway so i'd be trying different stuff anyway, he said he thought the mayhem was slightly better, mainly cause of the way he could spin it, but there is a couple of those at our field allready, and i think the ucd looks better, i'm really leaning that way right now