MerlinL14 I'd suggest you double check your info source. Seagull, Phoenix and Black Horse certainly emanate from the same 'factory', having commercial as well as familial ties, but VMAR are an entirely separate concern sharing in common only that they too are "Made in Vietnam".

At this point in time, there is a huge difference in both design and production quality between Seagull et al and VMAR. If you aren't aware of this, then it would suggest that you've not recently inspected or assembled either brand.

As sport models, the former three have come a long way especially within the past 12 months, and the only logical justification one can now really offer not to buy most of their current line-up is obstinacy. Insofar as VMAR is concerned, at this juncture I am inclined to agree that they need to improve significantly before I'd give them a generalised "OK" nod.