thank's so much for the feed back, im new to the forum and i can see it,s going to be gerrrrate!. i have the arrow trainer from the hanger 9 pkg it has the .40 evo engine i thought about useing it from the start hooby shop guy / r.c. pilot rec. .25 fx for a begginer like me also said .25 engine would be usefull down the line. have went to 2 different clubs my scheduel conflicts & their not to close thought about just taking it up some elec. exp & basic sim exp. understand orinentation perspectives.