regarding the wm vs aeroworks ultimates.

Although they look identical, the WM are sheeted foam wings, vs th aeroworks are builtup balsa and ply.

Suspect the aeroworks are lighter as a result.

I just got mine finished with a DA50. Forgot to read the manual on throws and set it up very much like my smaller CGm 10-300Ultimate. Big mistake. Low rates are supposed to be 10degrees - I had mine at 25. Combined with tail heavy, and it was a handfull.

Plane flew very well when i got off the throttle, and landed quite easily.

I've got 5925s in all 4 ailerons, 5945 in rudder, and two 5645s in elevators. 1st plane I ever did with everything new, so no way could i come in at the $1200 mark. Closer to $2K, even with discounts from Tower on the servos, and ChiefAircraft on the airframe. No discount on the DA - had to wait 3 mths just to get it.

I have three Goldberg ultimates - 2 with YS 120s and one with OS1.08. I'll be selling one of the YS120s, in case anyone is looking.

rgds
Mark