My position has nothing to do with anything here so quit bringing it up. All I did was state that the plane would fly with that engine and with that combination could do what I wanted it to do within its limitations, limitations that all combinations have. You posted what I feel was a stupid question when you asked if it would hover with the .25 and fly in a 25 mph wind. When these planes came out way back they were really popular and a lot of guys here used them for fun combat with those poor little .25's so what I was saying wasn't inclusive. You say that you got it to hover and fly in high winds with the engines listed well sure you did as you can fly a cement slab if you put enough engine on it, jeez give me a break. If you want a small rocket put the 40 on it and have a ball, if you want something a bit more docile then the .25 would handle it and that's all I have been trying to convey here. I don't feel I am showing a strong emotion, only speaking what I saw happen in the real world here.