thanks for all of your help there guys.....i mean i am getting the clubs aerobatics guy to help me set it up for 3d before the flying season starts, and i want to at least be able to hold a hover before really letting loose with it.....

i have a 13x8 sitting in the basement, so i may try throwing that thing on it for the first flights of the year, an if it still doesn't do it, i'll go out and buy the 13x4W....

also, based on what you guys wo have one and are doing 3d with it., what should i expect?? do i need to strengthen anything to help it carry the load of air that will be hitting the wing as i go to perform a wall or waterfall??

Andrew

P.S thanks again