My first attempt at trying to get some help from a world class pattern flyer was met with indifference. As I would show up when I knew he would be practicing after about 6 times he finally did show me where the peg was in the center of the box where he stood to do his patterns. I then ask if he would help me learn to fly pattern but he refused, as he allways had to get going right after his three practice flights. As there was no one else in my club that flew pattern I read all I could and spent the time to learn how to trim my plane and burnt a lot of fuel. The IMAC guys helped me the most and were a freindly fun loving group to be around. I agree the pattern guys I have encountered are a stuck up bunch of elite flyers that do not have the time of day for a newbe trying to learn the ropes. I will continue to go it alone making my way by burning fuel, and asking or giving no quarter when the time comes.