Gow589 you are correct and on the right track. The recent incident at the 2005 JR Challenge and the many threads about it have forced me to add my 2 cents, even though I am very reluctant to do so, as probably are many others. In general I have no issue with giant scale 3D pilots or their style of flying as long as they do it safely.The fact is many of them don't fly safely. Some of them, certainly not all, have an attitude problem. Stereotypically, the ones with the attitude problem have big egos, big wallets, little common sense, and little respect for the rest of us. Many of them insist on hovering 30 and 40% airplanes a few feet and sometimes even inches from themselves and others. They actually believe their "superior skills" and superior equipment, ie more expensive, precludes them from having an "accident". This is arrogance beyond belief. We all know humans make mistakes, dumb thumbs or someone turns on the same frequency at the wrong time etc. We all know things mechanical and electronic fail, radios glitch, servos fail, horns break, etc. A fatality will occur from this practice sooner or later. Another arrogant defense of this practice is that while hovering the airframe has no airspeed or forward velocity. What about the force and speed of the tip of that 32 inch prop on the business end of a 16 horsepower engine. Would they put their head under the mower deck of a riding lawn mower while it is running? Someone will eventually kill themselves or someone else while hovering giant scale "close in". The issue then will be the financial impact on the hobby and even possible legislation to regulate the hobby. In court an attorney will have a field day with the negligence of those involved in that first fatality from a hovering 3D plane. In fact we all are negligent as long as we allow this practice to continue uncensored. 3D flying and hovering is fine if kept at least 25 feet from any people. The big name guys and others disrespect us all when they insist on hovering within a few feet or less of themselves and others, or insist on touching the hovering aircraft etc. The thing that amazes me most is we have had no official response from AMA, JR, or RCU to-wards the individual responsible for the latest incident, but not the first, at the JR Challenge. We as participants in this hobby need to take action of our own. Perhaps as individuals we could temporarily boycott JR products or complain at the JR booth in Toledo, or send letters and emails to JR until they discipline or dismiss the "bad actor" they have for a rep. Perhaps as individuals we could flood AMA HQ with phone calls and emails about our displeasure with this behavior. Perhaps we can contact RCU that this person should not be on Team RCU. At the very least we need to get the word out to the average RC flyer that we need to "save" the hobby from the "bad actors" before it is to late. Responsible RC flyers, including most of the 3D guys, are still the majority and it is our responsibility to stop unsafe behavior. For the 3D guys I have offended, no even after many years of flying I am not yet skilled enough to do 3D, so that makes everything I have said incorrect. Right?