in my oppinion im compleatly for the end of ARF and RTF planes. To me they teach you nothing except to fly... but every one eventualy crashes unless your just THAT lucky... however if you have spent all your rc time flying arf's then you have no idea how to repair it since youve never built a plane. also you have the problem of building. its much nicer to know exactly how the plane was built, it lets you feel better about pulling that high G turn. personaly (since i do have one ARF... dont know why i think it was a gift) i wouldent trust it to survive a high G turn w/o the wings snapping at W2 (as i personaly glued W1 together i know that joint is good) ARF's are just too flimsy. some one else also made a good point, its really boring to go to the feild and see lines of the EXACT same airplane. and you get MUCH more satisfaction out of somthig that you yourself built. just my oppinion ofcourse... but i wish for the end of the ARF phase.even people who claim they have no time to build... 30 min a day u could have a descent plane built in 2 weeks beleive me... ive done it.