after reading all of the above posts, its like everything else these days-- it all what turns you on. Arf's are good for a while and can help you get flying Right Now. if thats all your interested in. however most people will make up their mind real quick, is this all I want to do is open the box and go fly or spend time to create something with my fingers and mind ?. it all boils down to to what your idea of Show and Tell is. eventually we all end up the same way- we either get our fill real quick or go another step and another step up. time management is the crux of it all. we all go thru fads. dick