Forestroke- I did not say i did GOOD outside loops, only that i could do them..marginally..[8D]..and as you say, I do have problems inverted with this plane (the outside loop looks decent until that point). It does not want to stay inverted at all.

Aileron throws are set to the book minimum...I'll increase those, and seal the hinge gaps. The plane WILL do it as it is; a buddy flew it and could do them, although he said they were pretty hard with the plane. He told me to re-do the wing without dihedral before I worried about too much stuff like rolls, but then again he had not flew a trainer in 4 or 5 years.

CG is toward the front a little at 3 1/8", well within the 3"-3.5" specified by hobbico. Plane is a 4-channel, Futaba radio, s148 servos, OS 40FP engine, 10x6 prop running cool power 15%.

Thanks for the help, I'll try some of this stuff out tomorrow if the weather's good.