Thanks for the reply, I have exactly the same setup that you describe. I have been flying glow, 1/4 scale gas and helicopters for about 15 years but this is my first electric and the symmetrical wing sounded good to me. My TUFF-E came out at 13 ounces ready to fly but I have not flown it yet. I will probably fly it this Sat. You said you've flown it in some wind, how strong of a wind?