To those of you who have said join a club etc i really do appreciate your help and i am not ignorring you as obviousley you all know a lot more about this hobby than i do , but I basically just want to teach myself with tips from books and the internet.( sounds stupid i know ) but i got the time the space and the money so why not !!!! as i said before i appreciate all your help and info also i do realise that you have my best interests at heart THANK YOU !