I think that the new ARFs serve a purpose for those in this hobby who don't have the patience, the innovation, or maby just don't have the time to build. But nothing is better to me than visualizing an aircraft model and then setting out to build that vision. Building is a problem solving event from the time you you open the box to a kit of from the time you pick out the balsa for a scratch built aircraft. I have to work to support my passion but I find myself all during the workday daydreaming on sorting out an issue with the model I have on my building board. I have had people in staff meetings ask me why I am smiling and I just can not bring myself to tell them that I have just figured out a solution to a problem I was having with my model and can't wait to get home to work it out. When you bring your latest project out to the flying field for the first time and all the guys gather round and pat you on the back and tell you what a great looking warbird that is.....well, you just have to experience it once to know that it is the greatest. Many of us have received awards that usually were earned with the help of a bunch of other people. However, when you get some well-earned remarks about the aircraft you just finished, that is reward for something you did yourself (even though you may have used tips from the experts). You put in the hundreds of hours of elbow grease and brainwork to create and complete that vision. You know you are a builder when you can not enter any store without looking around to see if they have anything you could use in your model building ventures. My wife dragged me to a fabric shop the other day and it was her who had to drag me out because I kept finding little things that could possibly be used in model construction. It was embarrassing! God Speed to all you builders out there. Razorback11