Horace,you're the guy that almost every club has, that everybody wishes would just stay hame. I'll bet you're the safest flyer in your club, cause your planes never leave the ground. You probably just go so you can tell everyone that they are doing it all wrong, and probably violating some imaginary safety rule, start an argument or three, and go home. Bet you save a fortune on glow fuel. I have an AMA card , but got by for many years without one, and with the current state of the leadership, by which I mean Dave Brown, I may not renew. But even Dave Brown is more open-minded than you. I hereby nominate you to be the guy who cleans the porta-potties once a week. It is a position befitting a man of your caliber.