Dave, When mine spiraled in several of the guys came over to check out the carnage and as fellow pilots usaully do they mentioned things like - "some planes will spiral in like that" and "you should have done this or that with the sticks and throttle to pull out of it" The trouble is that when mine crashed it all happened so fast and the plane was already set up into a spin so it took me a moment to realize that it started doing something that wasn't part of the plan, by that time it was too late. Next time I'll know better........ I think....[:-]