thanks Tom, just wondered. I may purchase gear and wing tubes for the DV from TBM this winter, for now just build it as is. Yeah, rudder is on, prolly fly it later this week. Still baffles me on my snap rolls, why they are so slow, must be where my balance is, but your guys' balance is not far off mine, I am at 4.25 on the wing tip back. Got me, but it snap rolls about as fast as a trainer. I like fast snaps. I got full throw on everything to