Hope I didn't offend you about the roll rate comment as it was not my intent!!!---We all have different needs when it comes to flying. I like a fast roll rate too....I also fly jets and you get a lot of oooohhh's and aaaaahhhhh's when you point the jet straight up at full throttle and then peg the aileron stick to the stop. I shoot for as fast a roll rate as possible. What also looks real cool is to get going straight up and do max rolls to the left or right then reverse direction----Roll roll roll roll---BANG---then same thing goin' the other way. This also looks good when flying horizontal...[8D] The Vision, like the jet, would look great doing this too.....Especially with the extra power from the CHP pipe!!![sm=thumbup.gif]

About the plane pulling hard in knife edge toward the canopy---Looks like a goof that I made caused the problem.[sm=bananahead.gif] I set up the Vision by copying the basic program parameters from my Double Vision.....Seemed logical as the planes are virtually the same except for the wings. Of course I made modifications to the Vision program as necessary. Where I got into trouble was due to different brands of servos were used on each plane. The elevator servos on the Vision needed to be reversed as compared the the DV. I forgot to reverse the rudder to elevator mixing when I reversed the elevator servos on the Vision. The result was an extreme pull to the canopy when adding top rudder for knife edge. Problem is now fixed and we'll see how it flies on our next outing.

Kevin