David, check out the SpadStick and the DasPlasStick at http://www.spadtothebone.com under Spad Originals. Using the equipment from your trainer you can get one of these in the air for less than 10 bucks. The fear factor of crashing it is a lot less, and they take a lot more abuse and that equals lots of hard flying to learn those aerobatic moves. BTW, one of our local naysayers recently got his hands on Kraut's SpadStick and it blew him away, he said it flew identical if not better than his Stick...now he wants one