aye some cens are just destined to be killed outta the box - others are thoroughly looked over by more experienced drivers, and the shortfalls are dealt with before there is a problem. trouble is - the cens are cheap so they often get bought as a 1st nitro, this in turn seems to give them a bad name. maybe u dont feel u should have to check ur car outta the box, but hey - its ur money... ive seen this so many times on this forum... its getting boring