listen bubba this planes not a beginner plane its a second plane?.im looking for one so i dont see how you can say its only for those looking to get started!!.does that mean that anyone wanting to give something to anyone can only give a trainer?.im not been funny but if he wants to offer the plane i dont see why we cant ask for it if as i am we,re a bit skint lol?.id gladly give my trainer after ive finnished with it!!.