Right, now I remember. Must be old age or somethin. My Unionville Otter is coming along slowly. Just finished framing wings, and re-thinking the fore-flap/flap/aileron setup. I guess buliding it stock works, but I am more inclined to use seperate servos for ailerons, and mixing the flaps. I don't like the idea of flexable tubes for control. I am also locating rudder,elevator at the tail.