Ray , your dead on ! Do a search and you will find outstanding quality in ARFs , examples are
Ceramark F16 $279
VQ P40 $259
H9 P40 $259
WM Zero /Mustang $249
GSP , Hellcat , P40 , Spit all average around $200 to $225
My point is that RCU members are ad driven , review driven , we are driven by "real guys " on RCU , that is why this site is so great . I have people tell me "dont believe everything you read on RCU ' sure that is partially true but when the majority of regular guys on this site say its Ok , or no its not , you can take it to the bank .
Vmar has a long way to go as far as I am concerned because the majority of the RCU members still report bad experiences .
As far as value , your also right ,there are better deals out there !!!