the thing about these planes xoon is if you do crash them you can always take the gear out and put it in another $30 plane, unless you just get plans and cut the foam which is $10 and $10 in foam plus the carbon which is like $5, also most of the time your not do fast flying your doing 3d so if you do goof up you can usually go get the hot glue gun and fix it. All i can say is mine flys great and i love it. If you really want to know how they fly ask the guys in the electric forums. Its not like you have to buy anymore gear you already have it. O yes i have this link for you go here and watch foamies in action. [link=http://foamyfactory.com/]Foamyfactory[/link] I think you'll be impressed. By the way my grandfather has the mini 3dx shockie, and i just built one, im putting all the stuff from the setup above plus instead of the Ai 2208/26 im putting the 2208/34 on it, this plane truely flys great, and so does the turmoil, if you dont have time to go to the field these are great.

Josh