Thanks for the info. I'll go to the web sight. I was installing PPjoy and PIC joy last night and I got the virtual joystick installed but after that I was lost. I did it by the the one web sight I was on. Had pictures and everything but it wasn't "Marine" proof. My meters on PIC joy were pegged and just flickered when I moved them and I couldn't get it to calibrate in XP game controllers. I'll check out the sight today.