RE: VMAR BIRD DOG
I swore off VMAR'S some time ago, despite that the last one I bought (a "Ramrod") is still going strong after 7 years.
But after flying someone elses Grey L-19, I was impressed enought to consider changing my opinion.
I did however find it very difficult to see against a cloudy sky, so "bit the bullet" and bought the Red and White version, with Servo's, Lipo pack, Slow FLy Prop, ESC and Outrunner Motor.
The model handles wind just fine and gets off my club's rough grass field quite o.k. It certainly is better quality than the stuff VMAR used to offer 3 or 4 years ago.