Ok thanks man, Well if I got one since I would be using two batteries, would it be wise to maybe get a used villian IV on ebay for cheap or just stick with the CENs? Because I need something that can handle some rough and my buddies hammer was goin through it pretty well the other day but it got a little too wet inside. Could the wave shark handle it? Also one more question. If I got a CEN which one should I go for? I really like the grey thunder better than the other two and I think it could handle a little more rough than the others. does anybody even have a grey thunder? Thanks,sorry for all the questions, I just want to do it right the first time.