I have also found here that many of these "beginners" are adult rated pilots who thinks its no problem. They have come out to our field and stuff them left and right. Help is offered but refused. Then feel like the idiots they were and don't show up again. I have been in R/C several years but only recently started helicopters which I flew for 20 years in the Army. Although I understand the concept of it. It took some time on the simulator to "get it down."