thanks for that yes like i said i was asking for help or advice on this particular plane and as rjm pointed out it does have slightly longer wings and semisymetrical ones too.thats why they claim it flies well and lands slow just like the wot 4!!.i was really looking for anyone who has flown it or seen it fly.i know biplanes arent easy to fly normally but thats why this one interested me.i was really looking at it as my 3rd plane .im going to build the dps as a tail dragger for experience too!!.